Reform it, rebuild it or close it?

Politicians promise more than their governments can deliver, and the gap is getting harder to ignore.

In this episode, Tom Loosemore talks with fellow Public Digital co-founder Andrew Greenway and Jennifer Pahlka, former Deputy Chief Technology Officer of the US, about their Foreign Affairs article on making government work again.

You’ll hear why a better policy won’t help if the machinery behind it is out of date, Jen’s view of DOGE, and what the new institutions that worked had in common. You’ll also hear why exemptions to the rules are a warning sign. Listen now to hear what they suggest instead.

Watch the video below.